Anyone using 16 inch alloys on 2nd Gen?

[Teekay]

I wonder if anyone using 16 inch alloys on 2nd Gen Alphard or Vellfire?

 

Factory suggested size is 17 inch as pic below. Will 16 inch alloy be safe?

[Geralt]

I think your speedo will over-read and the ABS calibration won't be optimal.

[arthurj]

215/65R16 98H on mine. All the hybrid 20 series come with 16s, as far as I can tell.

 

2 hours ago, Geralt said:

I think your speedo will over-read and the ABS calibration won't be optimal.

 

The tire circumference is basically the same on both 16” and 17” rims, the sidewall is just bigger on the 16 to compensate for the smaller rim. No change in reported speed.

[Teekay]

4 hours ago, arthurj said:

215/65R16 98H on mine. All the hybrid 20 series come with 16s, as far as I can tell.

 

 

The tire circumference is basically the same on both 16” and 17” rims, the sidewall is just bigger on the 16 to compensate for the smaller rim. No change in reported speed.

Thankyou Arthurj that's what I thought that it might work. Looking at https://papasmith.co.uk/alloy-wheel-fitment-guide/ looks like even other Estima Rav 4 C-HR wheels might fit too? Look at the pictures. Everything is same except the rim numbers. It might be stupid to try if they are interchangeable but I'll to find all facts and then make decision. I want original 16 or 17 inch Alphard or Vellfire alloy but they're rare like unicorn 

 

 

[Teekay]

Looks like the ET number is pretty significant 

I'll have to stick to oem

https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/et-45-et35-difference.38514

[Rojie]

6 hours ago, Teekay said:

Looks like the ET number is pretty significant 

I'll have to stick to oem

https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/et-45-et35-difference.38514

 

The papa smith guide (above) is the type of guide I have previously recommended.

 

Please don't overlook the Wheel Offset column

[Teekay]

13 hours ago, Rojie said:

 

The papa smith guide (above) is the type of guide I have previously recommended.

 

Please don't overlook the Wheel Offset column

Looks like my screenshot is from same site. It is pretty clear and convinced me to stick to oem.

[Chris.ac]

On 10/9/2022 at 8:32 PM, arthurj said:

215/65R16 98H on mine. All the hybrid 20 series come with 16s, as far as I can tell.

 

 

The tire circumference is basically the same on both 16” and 17” rims, the sidewall is just bigger on the 16 to compensate for the smaller rim. No change in reported speed.

trim level.

My 20 series came with 17

[Rojie]

2 hours ago, Chris.ac said:

trim level.

My 20 series came with 17

 

Agreed, but the lower the sidewall the harder the ride.

I love the ride on my machine. I don't even use the H TEMS system to adjust the ride settings.

[arthurj]

On 10/11/2022 at 4:54 PM, Chris.ac said:

trim level.

My 20 series came with 17

AFAIK all the 20 series *hybrids* come with 16” regardless of trim level (mine’s a ZR). The 17s do look quite a bit better though.

 

Tyres make all the difference though. I replaced the old Pirelli Scorpion Verdes with Goodyear EfficientGrip SUV and they are much quieter and softer.

[Teekay]

On 10/12/2022 at 8:47 PM, arthurj said:

AFAIK all the 20 series *hybrids* come with 16” regardless of trim level (mine’s a ZR). The 17s do look quite a bit better though.

 

Tyres make all the difference though. I replaced the old Pirelli Scorpion Verdes with Goodyear EfficientGrip SUV and they are much quieter and softer.

My 20 series 3.5V-L can with 19 inch alloys and worn out tyres. Not smooth ride and too low. I wanted to replace them with 17 inch but managed to get OEM 18 inch alloy so will probably stick with them. 18" are 2 cms wider than 17, and that gives extra braking performance and road handling. So I'm thinking not to change them. I believe that car Vellfire 3.5 V L must be engineered to work perfect with 18 inch too, being OEM.

[arthurj]

How much were they, if you don’t mind me asking? Was looking for OEM 17” or 18” but they seem to cost a small fortune

[Chris.ac]

In a bit slow recently, but the official owners manual lists 16, 17 and 18 inch

 

 

[Teekay]

On 10/21/2022 at 5:05 PM, arthurj said:

How much were they, if you don’t mind me asking? Was looking for OEM 17” or 18” but they seem to cost a small fortune

I paid 375 for 18 inch

[Teekay]

3 hours ago, Chris.ac said:

In a bit slow recently, but the official owners manual lists 16, 17 and 18 inch

 

 

Wow that's like original Japanese manual. I'd love to get that. May be someone wants to sell it?

[Chris.ac]

15 hours ago, Teekay said:

Wow that's like original Japanese manual. I'd love to get that. May be someone wants to sell it?

You can download official Japanese one from Toyota as a pdf

[Chris.ac]

If you can't find copy, I have a copy on my Google drive

[Teekay]

51 minutes ago, Chris.ac said:

If you can't find copy, I have a copy on my Google drive

I might be headbutting Toyota site for long as it might be in Japanese? if you could point to it that might be much appreciated. I'm after Gen 2 Vellfire. Or pm link for drive doc?many thanks 

[Teekay]

English translation of user manual has mistakes..best get to source of truth 

[Chris.ac]

manual.toyota.jp/vellfire/

 

They have April 2010, and Oct 2011 Manuals. 

 

Open link on Google chrome, and use its built in translate to direct the correct manual

[Chris.ac]

If anyone is interested, alphard is there too. 

 

manual.toyota.jp/alphard/

 

Only 2nd gen onwards, can even get copy of the navi headunit, if you want to see how the reverse cam, auto parking works etc

[Teekay]

18 hours ago, Chris.ac said:

manual.toyota.jp/vellfire/

 

They have April 2010, and Oct 2011 Manuals. 

 

Open link on Google chrome, and use its built in translate to direct the correct manual

Many thanks Chris