Cruise control 40kph to 140kph (24mph to 86mph) + Throttle response tuner

[Chris.ac]

https://pivotjp.com/product/3da/3da-t.html

(open link in chrome and it will auto translate to english)

 

I see this device, can be purchased for about £150.

 

From what I understand from the manuals, this device sits between the regular cruise control and the ecu, it can use the existing control stalk to control it, and allows you to set the cruise control up to 86mph.

 

It also incorporates a throttle response controller to set how 'eco' or 'sporty' your throttle is under foot.

 

Its quite expensive, but if people are looking for a way to partially unlock the cruise control speed limiter (68mph - 118kph as standard) AND add a means to tune their throttle response, this may be a good compromise, rather than going the hacked ecu route!

 

Anyone have any thoughts or experience? this is a toyota specific model, which means plug and play, I can see wiring harnesses listed for 10 and 20 series vehicles.

 

 

[R4v3n]

Thanks a LOT for this find.

I just emailed them, I hope I'll have an answer.

[R4v3n]

Pivot answered me this night.

For the common knowledge, here is the answer they translated from Japanese to English : 

 

Quote

(Google translation)
If you have a Japanese Toyota Vellfire GGH20, you can install 3DA-T.
radar cruise control will no longer be available.

Do you know the connection of the vehicle speed signal?
For Japanese specifications, connect to the 5P connector on the back of
the audio.

We don't ship overseas.
May be able to purchase it on Amazon.co.jp.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/customer-preferences/select-language
Please change the language and check.

product:
3DA-T (similar to 3DA and 3DA-C, so don't make a mistake)
2A harness (connected to accelerator sensor)
BR-1 Brake Harness (connected to brake switch)

Sincerely,
PIVOT
Customer Support

 

[Rojie]

Hello R4,

 

I am referring to my Gen 1 facelift model, not your later model.

 

Radar cruise control is not the same as cruise control.

Radar control maintains a distance between your vehicle and the vehicle in front of you.

 

As Chris.ac mentions above, I advise you to check that these kits include the actual cruise control, and not just the Radar part.

 

Better safe than sorry

[Chris.ac]

yeah, this combo is for Gen 2, you cannot use it whilst using radar cruise, I imagine all sorts of calibration/monitoring and brake/accelration control is built in to the additional ECU that interprets radar distancing data against the visual imagery from the Lane assist camera setup.

 

A choice needs to be made as to an increased limit for cruise, or self adjusting for distance in traffic flow.

[R4v3n]

Well, I ordered it from blackhawkjapan. Fast delivery.

I installed it with the help of the english install doc and some help from the Pivot Japan support by email. They are VERY fast to answer and they give you the good information in the adapted form (plan, annotated diagram, picture ...).

And it works perfectly with my Toyota Cruise Control lever. I'm able to cruise at 140km/h on the cluster (135/136 in reality with GPS).

 

The only "tricky" part in my opinion is the Speed Signal wire, behing the audio head unit. It seems there's a version with a 5P connector, but I don't have this one. Instead I took a picture of all my connectors and they sent me the information of the right wire on a 16P connector from my picture.

 

So it's not cheap, but it works and it's easier than finding the HEX value in a ECU dump, because I can't find anybody with a Damos file for JDM Alphard/Vellfire.

[Rojie]

On 3/31/2022 at 4:51 PM, Chris.ac said:

https://pivotjp.com/product/3da/3da-t.html

(open link in chrome and it will auto translate to english)

 

I see this device, can be purchased for about £150.

 

From what I understand from the manuals, this device sits between the regular cruise control and the ecu, it can use the existing control stalk to control it, and allows you to set the cruise control up to 86mph.

 

It also incorporates a throttle response controller to set how 'eco' or 'sporty' your throttle is under foot.

 

Its quite expensive, but if people are looking for a way to partially unlock the cruise control speed limiter (68mph - 118kph as standard) AND add a means to tune their throttle response, this may be a good compromise, rather than going the hacked ecu route!

 

Anyone have any thoughts or experience? this is a toyota specific model, which means plug and play, I can see wiring harnesses listed for 10 and 20 series vehicles.

 

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

I just checked the vehicle lists, missed them before, and the Series 10 does not seem to be listed in the harness lists.

 

[Chris.ac]

For the 10 series, you need the slightly different model 

https://pivotjp.com/product/3da/3da_std.html

 

Compatibility listed here (ANH10/15)

 

https://pivotjp.com/download/pdf/compatibility/tha_list.pdf?date=20220506

Edited May 16, 2022 by Chris.ac

[Chris.ac]

the difference seems to be that the 20 series one can command use of the existing cruise control stalk, whereas the 10 series can have additional button installed.

 

I think this is purely because the prefacelift 10 series had a manual wire throttle control, so it may be possible to use the 20series connectors, but I have not looked in to that.

 

[R4v3n]

12 hours ago, Chris.ac said:

the difference seems to be that the 20 series one can command use of the existing cruise control stalk, whereas the 10 series can have additional button installed.

 

I think this is purely because the prefacelift 10 series had a manual wire throttle control, so it may be possible to use the 20series connectors, but I have not looked in to that.

 

I confirm I use the stock cruise control lever in my GGH20 to enable/disable and up/down speed of the pivot box.

[Juan]

 

On 3/31/2022 at 4:51 PM, Chris.ac said:

https://pivotjp.com/product/3da/3da-t.html

(open link in chrome and it will auto translate to english)

 

I see this device, can be purchased for about £150.

 

From what I understand from the manuals, this device sits between the regular cruise control and the ecu, it can use the existing control stalk to control it, and allows you to set the cruise control up to 86mph.

 

It also incorporates a throttle response controller to set how 'eco' or 'sporty' your throttle is under foot.

 

Its quite expensive, but if people are looking for a way to partially unlock the cruise control speed limiter (68mph - 118kph as standard) AND add a means to tune their throttle response, this may be a good compromise, rather than going the hacked ecu route!

 

Anyone have any thoughts or experience? this is a toyota specific model, which means plug and play, I can see wiring harnesses listed for 10 and 20 series vehicles.

 

 

On 5/14/2022 at 11:12 PM, R4v3n said:

Well, I ordered it from blackhawkjapan. Fast delivery.

I installed it with the help of the english install doc and some help from the Pivot Japan support by email. They are VERY fast to answer and they give you the good information in the adapted form (plan, annotated diagram, picture ...).

And it works perfectly with my Toyota Cruise Control lever. I'm able to cruise at 140km/h on the cluster (135/136 in reality with GPS).

 

The only "tricky" part in my opinion is the Speed Signal wire, behing the audio head unit. It seems there's a version with a 5P connector, but I don't have this one. Instead I took a picture of all my connectors and they sent me the information of the right wire on a 16P connector from my picture.

 

So it's not cheap, but it works and it's easier than finding the HEX value in a ECU dump, because I can't find anybody with a Damos file for JDM Alphard/Vellfire.

 

 

Hi Both @Chris.ac and @R4v3n

 

Realise this thread is getting on a bit in age now , but I do hope you guys see this (Bit new to the forum so not sure how this one works)

Really happy to have come across you posts on this subject , after reading many threads on the subject.

 

@R4v3n I have a ANH20 Alphard 2012 with a stock Cruise control stalk, All works fine except of course restricted to 68mph 😒

Looks like this Pivot kit 3DA-T model is the solution for me too and I am super excited to try to get one.

I see you confirmed that it worked for you and you have a very similar van albeit a Vellfire

Wondered if you would be so kind as to share any details about the installation, hints tips photos or anything else ,,,,,, in particular the speed sensor wire. [I have already exchanged the Radio head unit over to a UK sourced Pioneer without Guidance... I do get, now and then, a speed sensor disconnect message on the Pioneer screen. so assume it was not connected to the radio head as no need(Also I read somewhere that this tends to be the practice when not needed)]

 

I can see the Japanese language Install and user guides PDF's on PIVOT website, but nothing is in English for the 3DA-T (Only 3DA has english). I don't really want to trust Google lens  to translate it!

Did PIVOT or Blackhawk Japan send you English materials ? could you share 

 

Apologies for the long post hope you can help and by all means PM me  

 

[R4v3n]

Hello @Juan 

Yep, still looking at this forum, and my emails (got notifications from quotes).

 

So take a look at the Pivot website just to verify if the plug&play harness is the very same between the GGH20 & the ANH20 (I guess but it's always better to verify).

 

So I asked directly the Pivot support, stating my situation, French import, only one in France, trying to get the correct model & harnesses for a 2009 GGH20, and they answered me (I don't paste the whole answer which was more complete, just the interesting part about parts) : 
 

Quote

product:
3DA-T (similar to 3DA and 3DA-C, so don't make a mistake)
2A harness (connected to accelerator sensor)
BR-1 Brake Harness (connected to brake switch)

which are the correct parts for the GGH20.

 

Then I bought everything at blackhawkjapan.

 

Seeing there's no english manual, I asked the support for one, and they told me : 
 

Quote

 

Please refer to the 3DA manual.
https://pivotjp.com/download/pdf/manual/3DA-e.pdf
There is no English manual for 3DA-T.

A supplementary manual is attached.

 

So I'm attaching in this post the supplementary picture.

 

Then I asked about the speed signal which seems to be on a 5P connector, they sent me the other attached picture which should be the correct one for you (as you probably don't have the cabling mess I have on mine).

 

So try that and if you have others problems, come back to me, I'll send you some others pics from them, otherwise you can just write to the Pivot support which is super nice & reactive.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

[Juan]

19 hours ago, R4v3n said:

Hello @Juan 

Yep, still looking at this forum, and my emails (got notifications from quotes).

 

So take a look at the Pivot website just to verify if the plug&play harness is the very same between the GGH20 & the ANH20 (I guess but it's always better to verify).

 

So I asked directly the Pivot support, stating my situation, French import, only one in France, trying to get the correct model & harnesses for a 2009 GGH20, and they answered me (I don't paste the whole answer which was more complete, just the interesting part about parts) : 
 

which are the correct parts for the GGH20.

 

Then I bought everything at blackhawkjapan.

 

Seeing there's no english manual, I asked the support for one, and they told me : 
 

So I'm attaching in this post the supplementary picture.

 

Then I asked about the speed signal which seems to be on a 5P connector, they sent me the other attached picture which should be the correct one for you (as you probably don't have the cabling mess I have on mine).

 

So try that and if you have others problems, come back to me, I'll send you some others pics from them, otherwise you can just write to the Pivot support which is super nice & reactive.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

Thanks @R4v3n, really appreciate your reply.

Yes, The Plug and play harness's are listed same for my ANH20 and also I confirmed it translating the Japanese version document for the 3DA-T.

LoL on the comment you made about 'cabling mess' , I am sure mine will be same . The fitter who installed the UK Radio head, made the comment that it was a nightmare, absolutely full of Aftermarket accessories and mods.! seems that's what our Japanese friends do !

 

I have contacted both Pivot and Blackhawk Japan, most likely I'll buy the kit from Blackhawk Japan. and I'll post back here on results of installation !,  but that may be several weeks.

 

I will PM you, with couple of questions I see already(particularly that image with speed signal written in red underneath has confused me) you as not to fill this thread with non value comments. 

Once I have installed I'll update the thread later, but as said may be several weeks yet.

 

 

[R4v3n]

What is strikedthrough (I don't know if this word works/exists) is the speed signal (the first kanji is "kuruma" which is "car" in japanese, and the second is the kanji for "fast/speed").