Tyre life & wear front vs back.

[andy1100xx]

Hi all

I need to get 2 rear tyres for my (new to me) ‘03 V6 and it got me wondering what sort of mileage are people achieving from their tyres and how do they wear front vs rear? I’m guessing the front would wear out quicker than the rear? If this is the case I might get the current front tyres moved to the rear to balance things out.

cheers
Andy

[Rojie]

1 hour ago, andy1100xx said:

Hi all

I need to get 2 rear tyres for my (new to me) ‘03 V6 and it got me wondering what sort of mileage are people achieving from their tyres and how do they wear front vs rear? I’m guessing the front would wear out quicker than the rear? If this is the case I might get the current front tyres moved to the rear to balance things out.

cheers
Andy

 

The JPNZ Owners manual, for your model, recommends tyre rotation every 5km.

 

The fronts pass the their same side rears. The rears are crossfitted to the opposite side fronts.

 

The problem with this is twofold.

 

If you have directional tyres, and many are these days, you cannot swap from side to side.

Ignoring this, all your tyres wear at a similar rate and will all require replacing at the same time.

 

What do I do ?

Fronts to same side rear to maintain correct rotation.

 

New tyres on front to ensure maximum front end grip. 

Batter steering, less prone to aquaplaning and better braking, rather than breaking !

 

 

[andy1100xx]

1 hour ago, Rojie said:

 

The JPNZ Owners manual, for your model, recommends tyre rotation every 5km.

 

The fronts pass the their same side rears. The rears are crossfitted to the opposite side fronts.

 

The problem with this is twofold.

 

If you have directional tyres, and many are these days, you cannot swap from side to side.

Ignoring this, all your tyres wear at a similar rate and will all require replacing at the same time.

 

What do I do ?

Fronts to same side rear to maintain correct rotation.

 

New tyres on front to ensure maximum front end grip. 

Batter steering, less prone to aquaplaning and better braking, rather than breaking !

 

 

 

Thanks Roger, the info from the manual is really interesting although seems bit over the top.

I'm a bit surprised that front a rear wear at the same time, I would have thought given it's front wheel drive and the weight of the engine would have meant they'd wear quicker. Regardless, I think your logic about moving the existing front to rear and putting the new ones on the front is the way to go, thanks.

Andy

[Rojie]

13 hours ago, andy1100xx said:

 

Thanks Roger, the info from the manual is really interesting although seems bit over the top.

I'm a bit surprised that front a rear wear at the same time, I would have thought given it's front wheel drive and the weight of the engine would have meant they'd wear quicker. Regardless, I think your logic about moving the existing front to rear and putting the new ones on the front is the way to go, thanks.

Andy

 

Just to be  bit clearer.

If tyres are rotated regularly from front to back, and vice versa, they will share the heaviest wear (front or rear).

 

Ultimately, they are likely to wear out after similar miles covered.

[Mikli]

I would put the better tires with more treads up front if FWD. 

[Rojie]

3 hours ago, Mikli said:

I would put the better tires with more treads up front if FWD. 

 

Me too. especially on a Front WD

[andy1100xx]

2 hours ago, Rojie said:

 

Me too. especially on a Front WD

That’s certainly what I thought but after checking a few manufacturer’s websites and contacting Bridgestone (who’s tyres I’ve gone with) direct they all say new tyres should always go on the rear, regardless of whether FWD or not, apparently it’s to do with how the car tracks in the event of a skid (and aquaplaning in particular). 

[Rojie]

3 hours ago, andy1100xx said:

That’s certainly what I thought but after checking a few manufacturer’s websites and contacting Bridgestone (who’s tyres I’ve gone with) direct they all say new tyres should always go on the rear, regardless of whether FWD or not, apparently it’s to do with how the car tracks in the event of a skid (and aquaplaning in particular). 

 

Hhmm. Interesting.

I can understand the new tyres needing to 'bed in' some.

 

I need to some research too.  Thanks.

[Rojie]

3 hours ago, andy1100xx said:

That’s certainly what I thought but after checking a few manufacturer’s websites and contacting Bridgestone (who’s tyres I’ve gone with) direct they all say new tyres should always go on the rear, regardless of whether FWD or not, apparently it’s to do with how the car tracks in the event of a skid (and aquaplaning in particular). 

 

I confess. I am somewhat surprised.

 

A very quick research agrees with what Bridgestone told you.

 

You live and learn.

 

As I prefer more tread depth at the front than the rear, the interesting question becomes "How 'soon' can the new rear tyres be transferred to the front ?"

As my dear father used to say. "The only thing between you and a tree are your front tyres".

[andy1100xx]

4 hours ago, Rojie said:

 

I confess. I am somewhat surprised.

 

A very quick research agrees with what Bridgestone told you.

 

You live and learn.

 

As I prefer more tread depth at the front than the rear, the interesting question becomes "How 'soon' can the new rear tyres be transferred to the front ?"

As my dear father used to say. "The only thing between you and a tree are your front tyres".

 

From what I can gather the recommendation is that the tyres with the best tread should always be on the back.

[Rojie]

11 hours ago, andy1100xx said:

 

From what I can gather the recommendation is that the tyres with the best tread should always be on the back.

 

Hhmm. Thanks,

 

All this goes exactly opposite to what I have always believed.

 

I'll be getting in touch with DVSA so I understand this better.

I need to understand why.

I had thought that with weight transfer under braking, despite ABS, we need the best grip at the front.

(If you like drifting perhaps, but I want grip at the front !).

 

I wonder if most tyre fitters know this, as it has never been mentioned to me by 'professionals' who should be trained in such aspects.

[Mikli]

😅 are we over thinking this?  The Alphard is for comfort not track days. 😂  we all should have fresh tires (younger than 10 years) with good amount of tire treads.  These tire sizes are relatively affordable. 

[ves]

Hi, in need to replace the brake pads front and rear on 2003 alphard but cant find the right type/size. Someone has any idea where to get em or where should I look?

thanks

Edited February 16, 2023 by ves

[Mikli]

12 hours ago, ves said:

Hi, in need to replace the brake pads front and rear on 2003 alphard but cant find the right type/size. Someone has any idea where to get em or where should I look?

thanks

Just break pads and not the rotors?

[ves]

5 minutes ago, Mikli said:

Just break pads and not the rotors?

Brake pads are very much needed. 
but if you can send a link for rotors too I would appreciate

[Mikli]

https://m.autopartspro.co.uk/toyota-carparts/alphard-ath1-mnh1-anh1/22987/10130/brake-pad-set
 

are you in UK? Pretty easy to find them. 
 

I change all the rotors and pads last fall to Akebono in Canada here. 

[ves]

1 minute ago, Mikli said:

https://m.autopartspro.co.uk/toyota-carparts/alphard-ath1-mnh1-anh1/22987/10130/brake-pad-set
 

are you in UK? Pretty easy to find them. 
 

I change all the rotors and pads last fall to Akebono in Canada here. 

I’m located bc, canada. So what excatly you have used? akebono is being sell in lordco right?

[Mikli]

Just now, ves said:

I’m located bc, canada. So what excatly you have used? akebono is being sell in lordco right?

Cool! I’m in Vancouver. Call Dynamic Performance in Richmond ask for Edwin. Their service and prices are great.  If you are DIY they can order the parts only.