Fiamma Awning

[CBBrundall]

Morning all....Intreasted to know if anyone has got a Fiamma rail added to their Alphards.....worth the expense ? and if so, can anyone recommend a good company that will add it ontoa Alphard...

 

Krgds

 

Chris B

[ThuMentaliss]

Fiamma dont market a rail for alphards, vellfire's  however everything's possible if you got the money and Technical support ..what do you want to acheive with this rail?

[CBBrundall]

Hi ya....so i basically want a Fiamma or Thurle roll out awning attached...

 

I see Northstar conversions supply and attach them ..

[ThuMentaliss]

The majority of Fiamma and Thule roll out awning's do not fit mounting rail's to mount their Windout awnings.  Currently none of these manufactures market fitting brackets for the roof line or wall side mounts of Alphard your only option's is to get mounting brackets made up by Metal Frabicators..... (Northstar conversions (isle of white) can provide this service but as far as remember their fitting's are bolted /riveted to the top of the roof slope which means your awning is mounted vertically added extra height to your vehicle which you dont want if you visit public car parks with roof height barriers! they would probalaly offer to fit a Fiamma F45 AWNING which is a pretty good standard awning but its bulky and in my opinion totally wrong for a small campervan, this hole excerise from my pass dealings with this customisation could cost you over £2000

[CBBrundall]

Hi ya....Many thanks,,,,sounds like a non starter then,...Hmmmm

[dezufo]

If you get a C rail fitted or a stiches & steel multi rail you can get small awnings that will simply slide into the rail, with very little increase in height in the case of the multi rail

 

[Pritch]

Not a non starter at all, you just need to get the brackets so they can attach. we had ours (Fiamma F45s) fitted last year by HL Campers in Liverpool. They had the brackets fabricated and they fit perfectly.

We have used ours all Summer and love it. Makes setting up so much quicker.

We  bought sides (sheet from Outwell) which gives a bit of shelter & privacy and flexible so we can have either one or both up.

Love it, love it, love it...

 

Think we paid just over £650 for the awning, brackets & fitting with HL Campers - take a look at their website under 'Recent Works' and you'll see some roll outs fitted.

 

https://www.hlcampers.com/copy-of-gallery

 

Good luck

[ThuMentaliss]

1 hour ago, dezufo said:

If you get a C rail fitted or a stiches & steel multi rail you can get small awnings that will simply slide into the rail, with very little increase in height in the case of the multi rail

 

Correct are you talking about awning tents (drive away) or wind out awnings Fiamma, Thule etc ?

[ronnie carter]

Hi,

We have a F45s windout awning fitted

Brackets £109 delivered from www.jshfabrications.co.uk

We went with the 2300mm awning think the 2600mm one looked too bulky on camper 

Local caravan place fitted 

[ThuMentaliss]

53 minutes ago, Pritch said:

Not a non starter at all, you just need to get the brackets so they can attach. we had ours (Fiamma F45s) fitted last year by HL Campers in Liverpool. They had the brackets fabricated and they fit perfectly.

We have used ours all Summer and love it. Makes setting up so much quicker.

We  bought sides (sheet from Outwell) which gives a bit of shelter & privacy and flexible so we can have either one or both up.

Love it, love it, love it...

 

Think we paid just over £650 for the awning, brackets & fitting with HL Campers - take a look at their website under 'Recent Works' and you'll see some roll outs fitted.

 

https://www.hlcampers.com/copy-of-gallery

 

Good luck

Great stuff!  But none of those photos show a 'wind out awning fitted to the roofs of their Alphard examples?  (the fiamma f45/S is an upright fitting awning) yes I have fitted them myself to MAZDA BONGOS and seen them fitted at the Chichester base convertors in West Sussex but there all fitted in a stand up position, OK not so prominate when fitted adjacant to a PopTop conversion  but as a item on there own they look too high and awkward of the vehicle body  (already two Alphards in this area have damaged there roofs whilst trying to enter the public car park with vehicle height rails.

 

Dont know if your aware but you can buy the fiamma side panels for your F45,  and always connect you fiamma storm straps to your F45S even when the wind is not blowing

ENJOY your awning

[dezufo]

2 hours ago, ThuMentaliss said:

Correct are you talking about awning tents (drive away) or wind out awnings Fiamma, Thule etc ?

Neither, you can get an awning that provides shade just the same as a wind out does, but one of the advantages of useing one that fits on a c rail is that it does not increase the height of the vehicle plus it can be used when a driveaway is not attached

[ThuMentaliss]

10 hours ago, dezufo said:

Neither, you can get an awning that provides shade just the same as a wind out does, but one of the advantages of useing one that fits on a c rail is that it does not increase the height of the vehicle plus it can be used when a driveaway is not attached

     Sorry I disagree what your reffering to is in reality a completly different 'animal'  its a canopy sun shade, Dometic and Kampa market these under there 'Canopy' description  up till recently they were never reffered to as a awning ??  it does not have an awning strengths from my 'try outs' of two shades using a VW CAMPER they proved to be a poor substitute when compared against a windout especially when sudden wind changes occur also most modern windouts now have the keder rail channel built into the body so you dont need a seperate keder rail, over straps, magneticstrips, support poles etc

[dezufo]

2 hours ago, ThuMentaliss said:

     Sorry I disagree what your reffering to is in reality a completly different 'animal'  its a canopy sun shade, Dometic and Kampa market these under there 'Canopy' description  up till recently they were never reffered to as a awning ??  it does not have an awning strengths from my 'try outs' of two shades using a VW CAMPER they proved to be a poor substitute when compared against a windout especially when sudden wind changes occur also most modern windouts now have the keder rail channel built into the body so you dont need a seperate keder rail, over straps, magneticstrips, support poles etc

A wind out is just a piece of material that is conveniently stored in a tube attached to the vehicle it serves the same purpose as a seperate "sun shade", when wound out it is subject to the vageries of the wind just the same as any other "sun shade", it still needs pole supports at the front end and the built in keder rail can only be used if the awning is stored away.  I would rather have a C rail and a seperate "sun shade" thus keeping the original height of an Alphard with out the extra weight, wind resistance and expense of a wind out

[ThuMentaliss]

29 minutes ago, dezufo said:

A wind out is just a piece of material that is conveniently stored in a tube attached to the vehicle it serves the same purpose as a seperate "sun shade", when wound out it is subject to the vageries of the wind just the same as any other "sun shade", it still needs pole supports at the front end and the built in keder rail can only be used if the awning is stored away.  I would rather have a C rail and a seperate "sun shade" thus keeping the original height of an Alphard with out the extra weight, wind resistance and expense of a wind out

 Thanks for your response,  thats your opinion and I respect your view even though I believe your knownledge of such is limited.

[dezufo]

2 hours ago, ThuMentaliss said:

 Thanks for your response,  that's your opinion and I respect your view even though I believe your knowledge of such is limited.

Really?

 

It seems that your knowledge is somewhat biased; to the point of failing to understand what a windout actually is.

My view is a glorified sun shade, with a high price tag, that impacts on the mpg and the places a vehicle can access due to the increase in height

[ThuMentaliss]

22 hours ago, dezufo said:

Really?

 

It seems that your knowledge is somewhat biased; to the point of failing to understand what a windout actually is.

My view is a glorified sun shade, with a high price tag, that impacts on the mpg and the places a vehicle can access due to the increase in height

 Great! Ive fitted four 'wind outs' two f45s one f40 and one Thule on different vehicles how many have you fitted ?  (its obvious to me you and I will would never share technical niceties so lets just agree to avoid each other posts) !😥

[ThuMentaliss]

On 9/23/2022 at 8:50 PM, dezufo said:

Neither, you can get an awning that provides shade just the same as a wind out does, but one of the advantages of useing one that fits on a c rail is that it does not increase the height of the vehicle plus it can be used when a driveaway is not attached

 SORRY iv'e broke my own rules as i'm  Quoting you again but to finish I believe you might be referring to this : https://www.qualitycaravanawnings.com/collections/thule/products/thule-omnistor-1200-awning   although the product is marketed under the Awnings section its actualy described as a sun Canopy🤐

[ronnie carter]

Hi, as requested Chris, pics of awning in setup 

 

[Weescone]

On 9/23/2022 at 4:11 PM, dezufo said:

If you get a C rail fitted or a stiches & steel multi rail you can get small awnings that will simply slide into the rail, with very little increase in height in the case of the multi rail

 

Just about to take receipt of my Alphard. I was under the impression a C Rail couldn’t be fitted to mine, and the only option was straps thrown over the other side or magnets..? 

[dezufo]

28 minutes ago, Weescone said:

Just about to take receipt of my Alphard. I was under the impression a C Rail couldn’t be fitted to mine, and the only option was straps thrown over the other side or magnets..? 

A C rail can be fitted to any vehicle, there are a couple of possible places for it on an Alphard depending on the size of the rail, flat on to the roof or in the channel that has the black rubber seal in, problem with the straps is they can mark the paint work and they thrum in the wind, the magnetic strips are not very strong and will lift in windy weather, another method are suction limpets

[Weescone]

Thank you kindly. I’ll check that out 

[Candlins]

On 9/23/2022 at 6:04 PM, ronnie carter said:

Hi,

We have a F45s windout awning fitted

Brackets £109 delivered from www.jshfabrications.co.uk

We went with the 2300mm awning think the 2600mm one looked too bulky on camper 

Local caravan place fitted 

That looks great.  Did you have a drawing.that you sent to the fabricators or did you buy the awning and take it too them with the van and ask them to make something up?  I have a local fabricator who could almost certainly do the same but.wondering how best to proceed!

Also, how is it attached to the car?  Bolted through?

[ronnie carter]

4 hours ago, Candlins said:

That looks great.  Did you have a drawing.that you sent to the fabricators or did you buy the awning and take it too them with the van and ask them to make something up?  I have a local fabricator who could almost certainly do the same but.wondering how best to proceed!

Also, how is it attached to the car?  Bolted through?

Hi,

We got brackets from JSH Fabrications ( he makes for a campervan firm HL Campers ) 

The newer modified brackets are 30mm shorter than we had fitted also holed for rivnuts on the front and rear of bracket and fitted along with sikaflex 

[Candlins]

Thanks for the response Ronnie, I'll get in touch with JSH direct then.

[Markb59]

Following on with this post I have had a Thule Ornmistor fitted to my 2005 Alphard. It takes the overall night to just over 2m so can go in most car parks without issues. We have found it easy to use and a god send on short breaks. On our longer breaks when using our Olpro drive away we use the Thule to attach the kaddor. 

it was fitted by Hill View Awnings down in Dorset. Hope this helps some in decision making.