What is the true mpg for the Toyota alphard hybird 2012 onwards?

[VirtualGuy]

On 5/17/2023 at 1:58 AM, Jorge Velasco said:

 

Juat out of curiosity, what is your reading for km/l with that kind of driving discipline?

 

Also, what even is EV Mode for? I tried it before but it only lasts for seconds.

That's hard to say as I haven't used a whole tank for just round town eco driving, which is the way I have done any non-scientific measurements previously. It would require a pretty disciplined and consistent approach to get any useful kind of reading, including avoiding motorways and faster roads. As I'm not benchmarking for Autocar I'd find this very difficult. I just feel that you can drive a lot around town relatively economically if you put your mind to it.

[kristoff]

I kept reading this and could not belive it . I have just got myself vellfire 3.5 4x4 and on motorway over 200km distance i have managed to get avg 10.7 km/l snd for intrest i don't count town as too many variables so 2.4 seems rather thirsty 

[VirtualGuy]

5 hours ago, kristoff said:

I kept reading this and could not belive it . I have just got myself vellfire 3.5 4x4 and on motorway over 200km distance i have managed to get avg 10.7 km/l snd for intrest i don't count town as too many variables so 2.4 seems rather thirsty 

The problem is, I think, that the comparison being discussed is not a true bench test of fuel consumption. 200km in a single motorway journey (if that is what this is) is, of course, not comparable to a few hundred km of mixed predominantly motorway and A road driving. As most fuel inefficiency comes from pulling this heavy vehicle from a start, or braking and accelerating, then you'd expect a series of shorter journeys to use more fuel. Saying that, I am sure I've read that there is not a huge difference between the 3.5 and 2.4 on the motorway, as 2.4 has to work harder. In this case perhaps you'd expect urban driving to be the main difference, and this would be clearer still with the hybrid model.

Edited May 21, 2023 by VirtualGuy

[Rojie]

3 minutes ago, VirtualGuy said:

The problem is, I think, that the comparison being discussed is not a true bench test of fuel consumption. 200km in a single motorway journey (if that is what this is) is, of course, not comparable to a few hundred km of mixed predominantly motorway and A road driving. As most fuel inefficiency comes from pulling this heavy vehicle from a start, or braking and accelerating, then you'd expect a series of shorter journeys to use more fuel. Saying that, I am sure I've read that there is not a huge difference between the 3.5 and 2.4 on the motorway, as 2.4 has to work harder. In this case perhaps you'd expect urban driving to be the main difference, and this would be clearer still with the hybrid model.

 

As Stephen says, there is no real MPG.

 

If there is, then please tell me "How long is a piece of string?"

 

Even UK Government figures for non JDM vehicles are open to serious question.

 

There is a lengthy thread on this Forum where members report their own vehicle consumption'

Even those, real that they are, are not benchmark results.

[arthurj]

Perhaps a better comparison is what happens when I use my Vellfire hybrid vs my Yeti Diesel for the same kind of trips.

I’ve noticed that for short trips around town, from cold, less than half an hour’s driving, my Vellfire is roughly the same as the Yeti in terms of fuel consumption. Makes sense if you consider the hybrids are designed to be luxury taxis.

 

I often go on trips to Edinburgh, about 130 miles or so of A-road and motorway each way. For trips like that, I normally get 45-50mpg out of the Yeti and about 30 out of the Vellfire. A return trip will use 2/3 of a tank in the Vellfire and less than half for the Yeti. The Vellfire has until very recently been cheaper to fill up.

 

Of course I can’t take the Yeti to Edinburgh any more because of the congestion charge, whereas the Vellfire is fine

Edited May 24, 2023 by arthurj

[Jorge Velasco]

4 hours ago, arthurj said:

Perhaps a better comparison is what happens when I use my Vellfire hybrid vs my Yeti Diesel for the same kind of trips.

I’ve noticed that for short trips around town, from cold, less than half an hour’s driving, my Vellfire is roughly the same as the Yeti in terms of fuel consumption. Makes sense if you consider the hybrids are designed to be luxury taxis.

 

I often go on trips to Edinburgh, about 130 miles or so of A-road and motorway each way. For trips like that, I normally get 45-50mpg out of the Yeti and about 30 out of the Vellfire. A return trip will use 2/3 of a tank in the Vellfire and less than half for the Yeti. The Vellfire has until very recently been cheaper to fill up.

 

Of course I can’t take the Yeti to Edinburgh any more because of the congestion charge, whereas the Vellfire is fine

 

Will be going to Cornwall (from London) in the summer, what’s the most fuel efficient route?

[Rojie]

On 5/24/2023 at 8:49 PM, Jorge Velasco said:

 

Will be going to Cornwall (from London) in the summer, what’s the most fuel efficient route?

 

As a resident of Devon, you pose an interesting question.

 

East side of London travellers tend to prefer the A303

North and west side the M5.

Much of the A303 is dual carriageway, however some is not, as at Stonehenge; which can be very slow

 

When at Exeter, you need to chose Okehampton or Plymouth.

The road to the far west of Cornwall has been improved immensely in recent years.

 

Depends on your scenic preferences and day and time of your proposed journey.

 

AA Route Planner offers expected journey times, as do most Sat Navs.

 

Safe Journey.

 

Me ? M5

[Chris.ac]

On 5/24/2023 at 8:49 PM, Jorge Velasco said:

 

Will be going to Cornwall (from London) in the summer, what’s the most fuel efficient route?

Depends on if you prefer to cruise at 60, or 70 and the time of day. 

 

A303 has sections at 40, 50 and 60mph, whereas M4/M5 is 70 except if there are closures. 

 

 

[david P]

Hi I have a 2012 Alphard hybrid G wagon 2.4 just did a 1700 k run, best I could get was 10.8 ks/ ltr cruising at 115ks / hr, so don’t believe the lower figure. Also would not let cruise control above 115ks / hr. Car has done 114000ks total. Rgs David

[kristoff]

Im in across europe trip on my 4000km and counting and getting random figures as it depends which country i was in . For example i Poland on motorway i was doing 160-180km/h and it returned 7.5km/l , last night i was crossing southern Germany and hills were so extreme i did 8.5- 9km/l . 

Tomorrow i have last streach of 1200km so will see as i try rather keep to 110kph

[pjpern]

On 5/17/2023 at 1:58 AM, Jorge Velasco said:

 

Juat out of curiosity, what is your reading for km/l with that kind of driving discipline?

 

Also, what even is EV Mode for? I tried it before but it only lasts for seconds.

The button seems a waste of time and I don't think it should be turned on. You will see when it's working (and hear the engine) from the green EV light. I was told not to turn it on when the engine was cold. The engine levels itself out depending on speed and battery level.

[pjpern]

To work out my mpg, I take the mileage readings from 2 fill-ups. I can then find out how many miles I have done and how many litres I've squeezed in. Therefore, 1st reading: 57570, 2nd reading: 57791 = 221 miles. My 2nd fill-up was 33.7 litres. Litres into miles = 7.41 gallons. 221 miles for 7.41 gallons = 29.82 mpg. Not good for my hybrid 😔 

[arthurj]

On 9/3/2023 at 2:26 PM, pjpern said:

The button seems a waste of time and I don't think it should be turned on. You will see when it's working (and hear the engine) from the green EV light. I was told not to turn it on when the engine was cold. The engine levels itself out depending on speed and battery level.

It seems to work the same as other Toyota hybrids. It adjusts the throttle control response to make it easier to stay in the “Eco” range and puts the air conditioning into a low power mode. The AC is very noticeable on a hot day.

 

With Eco mode on, you need to push the accelerator quite some way in to start the engine, it tries to accelerate on battery power alone, and there’s a noticeable delay if you stamp on it. With Eco mode off it starts the engine almost immediately so you get full power.

[pjpern]

On 4/24/2023 at 11:52 AM, Jorge Velasco said:

Just got a 2012 2.4l hybrid and am averaging only 6 km/l on ECO mode. What could be wrong?

Did you find anything out about this. I have the same model and getting your mileage which is annoying as so many seem to be getting far more mpg. I have no warning lights or anything like that.

[kristoff]

If you Do round the town this kind of use will be close to normal 

[jpiech]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:26 PM, pjpern said:

Did you find anything out about this. I have the same model and getting your mileage which is annoying as so many seem to be getting far more mpg. I have no warning lights or anything like that.

Remember that if your odo/speedo was converted from km to miles this is 6 miles/l.

 

My 2012 Hybrid is doing 7.1 m/l so around 32mpg and that's in rural Wales with steep hills.  

[Jorge Velasco]

I get 6.3 on average on daily commute. Mostly because it is about only 5 miles away with a ton of stop lights and speed bumps which I believe lowers fuel efficiency.

 

As my speedo is mph, I guess that 6.3 is m/l

[Goz]

8 hours ago, Jorge Velasco said:

I get 6.3 on average on daily commute. Mostly because it is about only 5 miles away with a ton of stop lights and speed bumps which I believe lowers fuel efficiency.

 

As my speedo is mph, I guess that 6.3 is m/l

 

Are you using the hybrid system over that distance?  Hard accelerations?  Sitting in the permanent Oxford traffic jam I managed over 45 MPG in stop-start traffic (16km/l or ~9/9m/l) as the hybrid battery did all the work.  I get 37.5 to 40 MPG doing a more long distance drive.

[kristoff]

Why not to chek with fill ups then you get no hidden results . People think magic going to happen whe converted to show speed in miles that it gonna cure fuel consumption 

[jpiech]

10 minutes ago, kristoff said:

Why not to chek with fill ups then you get no hidden results . People think magic going to happen whe converted to show speed in miles that it gonna cure fuel consumption 

I did.

359 miles covered on 52 liters. But that's mostly 20 miles school run through Welsh hills.

 

I might get better on a longer flatter run but I'm happy with low 30s as this is what I expected. 

[big_boz]

On 4/24/2023 at 2:47 PM, Jorge Velasco said:

Based on the photo? Unless this is very inaccurate?

My dash odo and Speedo are converted to miles and it has done the consumption also, so mine is saying 6km/l but I'm getting 28mpg calculated fill to fill.....that's 6m/l, so if yours is the same then you are getting the same as me.....although mines an na 2.4 not a hybrid.

[Goz]

Did a weekend trip from Oxford down to Dover (stopping to pick up a friend and my sister) along the way.  Then spent the weekend pootling round the french countryside before heading back home.  Averaged 13.4km/l for the whole trip.

 

I leave eco mode on and set my cruise control to 60mph and just leave it as much as possible ... seems to work out pretty well

 

Am doing a trip to the pyrenees for christmas.  Will be interesting to see what sort of mileage i get on such a long drive.

[threepot]

There is a lot of confusion with the dash display in this post.

 

If your cluster has a speed fascia like mine like this one below... then your fuel computer still works in KM/L, along with the odometer. Nothing has been modified other than a new scale is printed on the fascia.

 

 

But if you have an original fascia like this one below, then you have an inline KM's to Miles converter wired into the harness to the cluster, so all the values displayed are really miles, including the fuel computer, the odometer etc etc. The display still has the units as KM/L and KM's, as the display is original but the display is really showing miles as the converter box is manipulating the speed values sent from the ABS module which measures the wheel speeds/rotations.

 

 

 

So make sure you are doing your calculations appropriately to the odometer conversion that has been carried out. Many of you are really getting a reading of miles per litre.

Edited December 24, 2023 by threepot

[Rojie]

1 hour ago, threepot said:

There is a lot of confusion with the dash display in this post.

 

If your cluster has a speed fascia like mine like this one below... then your fuel computer still works in KM/L, along with the odometer. Nothing has been modified other than a new scale is printed on the fascia.

 

 

But if you have an original fascia like this one below, then you have an inline KM's to Miles converter wired into the harness to the cluster, so all the values displayed are really miles, including the fuel computer, the odometer etc etc. The display still has the units as KM/L and KM's, as the display is original but the display is really showing miles as the converter box is manipulating the speed values sent from the ABS module which measures the wheel speeds/rotations.

 

 

 

So make sure you are doing your calculations appropriately to the odometer conversion that has been carried out. Many of you are really getting a reading of miles per litre.

 

I think it has been a fairly common practice to 'black out' the k in the km/h legend.

[threepot]

1 hour ago, Rojie said:

 

I think it has been a fairly common practice to 'black out' the k in the km/h legend.

 

I was more referring to if they are using the original outer ring of numbers then its on a pulse converter,  it was the only picture I could easily find.

 

And yes, most people who fit a pulse converter just put a little square of black tape over the "K".