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So, the saga continues, for those not already bored senseless by this. There is a maximum height stipulated for reflectors, in fact there are several depending on other factors. For an Alphard, my interpretation is, 900mm. Reflectors, according to my reading, must carry certain approval marks. The approval mark should incorporate "I" or "IA". So my motorcycle stick on solution seems to be a non starter, although I will check if they carry the necessary markings. The aformentioned dimensional requirements, as supplied by Starider, are correct. So, yet again, I am back to Stariders approach of rear mudflaps with approved reflectors mounted on them.

The garage at the top of Haldon Hill has LPG. It is on the road to Torbay (A380), not Plymouth (A38). .Be careful not to drive by as you come upon the turn quite suddenly.

Welcome to the Forum, You will need a 'Tell Tale' illuminated light within reach, and visible, from the driving position for the rear fog light. Chris.ac is, or has, implemented / integrated his rear fog lights with the stalk control, as above.

Interesting point about the Insurance Inspectors.

Hi Ldrego, I have watched many of your Alphard / Vellfire videos (Cuttothechase), and promoted them on here in this Forum Do you have separate rear fog lights and reflectors ? There is an ongoing debate that many Alphards, on importation, have had their rear reflectors replaced with fog lights that are not reflective. Hence owners are now without rear reflectors, an MOT reuirement. I was wondering if you have had this problem and how you overcame it.

Yes it does help. Thank you. All a bit of a mess, isn't it ! i respect what you have advised, but, according to my reading of the instructions to MOT inspectors, those regulations are not part of the MOT inspection ! It would appear DVLA can't agree with itself ! I note you don't mention any requirement for the height of reflectors. So, I need to reread the DVLA info. Notwithstanding that, the motorcycle reflectors are so small as to be relatively unobtrusive, That is still my favourite solution as they can be positioned anywhere that complies with your advice. When the Inspector that does my cars returns from New Year i will speak with him. THANKS for doing all the research. It is appreciated. Solving this problem is easy, doing it aesthetically is proving more difficult ! As a wild afterthought whilst re reading this; as the size of fog lights is not specified, I could stick these small 20mm reflectors on my fog lights. Eureka ! I just need to ensure the fog lights are not largely obscured. If the 3M tape doesn't adhere well, the superglue will !

Hi Starider, I read the DVLA guidance to MOT inspectors just yesterday. There are no dimensional stipulations re reflector size or positioning other than symmetry across the vehicle and height The Inspectors are not obliged to measure any position just a visual check. If the reflectors have deteriorated, or are loose, that can be a failure. The motorcycle reflector vary in size from 20mm diameter upwards, and some are rectangular.

Try shining a torch on your rear bumper 'reflectors'. My guess is, if they are powered, they are not reflectors. If so, join the group of us trying to find an aesthetically pleasing solution ! This Forum will email you if you follow the thread. Select Follow at the top right of the page. It will also send you a copy if you answer someone, or they answer you, by using the quote function. I don't believe there is a brightness for fog lights anymore, About the same brightness as brake lights appears to be OK.

Hi Chris, Hi Starider, I think I may have found the solution, for me at least. I have been reviewing motorcycle rear reflectors on ebay. Many are made to stick onto rear number plates. There seems to be many that should fit my needs. Starider, Are these motorcycle reflectors OK for an Alphard? Also, when you reply to a topic you can 'drag and drop' a photo file to the area with the paperclip denoted. Or you can choose files. You can also copy a URL and paste it directly into your.

Just read the DVLA requirements again. Two rear reflectors are required. They must be mounted symmetrically on the vehicle at the same height. There does not appear to be a size requirement. Nor does there seem to be a requirement that they are mounted oriented horizontally. Reflective tape is not acceptable. So, methinks, maybe two small ones stuck (permanently) on the rear number plate. I did consider two rear fogs bolted to the outside of the tailgate, but then I still have the fog light feed issue. Before I do anything I will visit my MOT Inspector and discuss the problem with him.

I have not searched yet, but I may consider 'sticking' some reflectors on the tailgate or valance. Not very aesthetic. Of course, after all this trouble the MOT inspector might not have noticed the original reflectors are missing ! My thinking seems to get more outlandish as this saga continues. Can I fit reflectors to the tailgate spoiler somehow ? The search continues.

So if these are placed in the rear reversing lights I can replace the non reflecting fog lights in my bumper with reflectors. (Would this approach be MOT compliant ? I need to reread the requirement on DVLA) But then I need to reroute the fog light feed into the tail gate from the rear valance. I think that will be beyond my capabilities. I am still looking for a easier solution, reflectors on mud flaps is still my easiest option. I have requested a photo from Starider of his most recent implementation. Thanks for your suggestion, Chris, but I think it is a step too far for me. What I need is to find what I already have, but that does have a reflector. Trouble is, no (Alphard type) reflectors seem to have the correct combination !

Hi Nov, Thanks, But are you sure ? I typed in the link, then 2006 Alphard and the page said they would not fit.

Hi Chris, Be careful which reflector led lenses you fit; most are not reflectors. See my recent thread elsewhere. I think this rear reflector issue will be increasing soon as more owners realise they don't have any rear reflectors, me included. I need to understand what you have done check whether I ca achieve the same on my 2006. That is to use one of the rear tail lights as the rear fogs and reinstate the reflectors.

Well done Chris; you came up trumps again. Merry Christmas. TADAMS, I have removed my rear sets but I can tell you, there is very little room between the flat rear seat headrests and the tail gate when the middle seats are flat. Depending on where the mid seats are located on the rails you may even need to remove the headrests (which is very easy). With the rear seats lifted there is a lot of room. With the mid seats removed and the rear seats lifted some owners have managed to get a full size motor cycle in. May I respectfully suggest you visit a dealer and do some measuring. That is what I did. It took me four hours! Measure, check, measure check. Vehicle to vehicle. My dealer was very patient and did make a sale.

Are they H13 sides or headlights ?

The Elgrand dash looks much more modern and futuristic, and probably is, compared to my 2006 anyhow. I have heard it said that the later Elgrands are more difficult to convert, but that may not be true. I preferred the more 'traditional' look and feel of my Alphard What I do know is, you won't be disappointed with an Alphard / Vellfire, Be cautious with the aircraft lounge seats, they are not for everyone, especially if converting.

Also, fitting front swivels will almost certainly mean removing the centre console and making a cover for the 100v entertainment invertor. But you do get a 'walk through' cab. I agree with Alphard Club too. Headroom, in my MZG is not much for tall people. Adding even a couple of inches could be critical, unless you are keen on driving with the driver's seat reclined rather far back. NorthStar quoted me, from memory, about £500 each ! Fitting included, but you have to visit the Isle of Wight.; nice place but not that accessible. Driver and Passenger were available.

Hello Nov, This is really helpful, and I have not even read, or understood, it fully yet. Chris.ac is also ace at digging out info. My dealer is 200 miles away, has my money, so I don't think I have much choice than sort it out myself. The lights he has fitted are brake lights, which do perform nicely as rear fogs, but I no longer have any reflectors. Without wishing to scare lots of folks, arguably, it gets worse; as the sellers of these rear fog/ brake units (some of whom) have sold hundreds (according to ebay)) advertise them as reflectors. They aren't. I have yet to find one that is AND fits a Gen 1 Alphard. I have written to several ebay sellers, so far, requesting clarity. Most didn't reply ! One did, I specifically requested him to test them with a torch ! I don't wish to name him, but he did, and came back to me admitting there are not reflective. Good for him. Honesty. I will be checking his listing to see if he manages to remove 'reflector' from the description. It is true that all these lights from several vendors may not be the same, but, they are remarkable similar. So i will read and understand your tip, and try to implement it. I have to take the tail gate cover off anyhow, as I need to provide internal access to my tail gate lock in case it fails. With a rear conversion I cannot allow myself to be locked out from the rear door where the gas bottle is. Oh what fun it is to ride in an Alphard.

Hi Wendy, Do you mean the Alphard 'sonor' system; or an after market system ?

Hi Wendy, Thanks for this, but I am pretty sure they won't fit Arthur's vehicle unless he is happy to have all the floor up and relay the rails. The rail runners on the double seats are quite a bit wider than on the Captains seats. I could find the dimensions (somewhere) if anyone needs them. Did you add your seats to the For Sale section ? Someone else may be ble to use them

Welcome to the Forum I can ask the convertor who did my vehicle, not a million miles form Dorset, but ..... I know he can't deliver a conversion before April 2022, at the earliest. I don't know whether has done, or is willing to do, a Hybrid. He certainly has done Alphards , Elgrands and VWs and other Toyotas. Send me a PM with your details if you would like them passed to him. I have no financial interest in his business. He does do custom work based on his regular side or rear conversions. He also can fit pop tops if you want one. Regarding his custom work, he is a very good listener while jointly discussing your requirements.

Try Northstar Conversion, Isle of Wight. I know they do them for earlier Alphards.

Welcome to this Forum. I feel certain you will find this Forum very useful. Merry Christmas.

Hello, Welcome to the Forum. One common way of fitting the fog lights is to replace the rear reflectors with rear fog units freely available on the Internet. The supplier of my vehicle took this approach. The fishy bit, as you put it; is that the vehicle now has no rear reflectors ! As Starider has pointed out to us all, having no rear reflectors is an MOT fail. So how did my vehicle pass the MOT ? Either it had reflectors or rear fog lights, but never both. Or the MOT station was fishy. Starider fitted mudflaps and added reflectors to those. There is info on the DVLA website which is very clear. What am I going to do ? Think about it some more. Mudflaps looks the most likely candidate so far as the reflectors must be securely mounted.